污秽的摇篮 2005-10-25 11:48
由Nightwish的女主唱被开除出队想到的!
<P><B><FONT size=3>以下是Nightwish其他4位成员给女主唱的公开信,没想到他们的"女巫"是这样一个惟利是图的人.</FONT></B></P>
<P><B><FONT size=3>但愿所有的朋友不要因为以后你所在的乐队出了点成就就变的飘飘然,别忘了以前和你艰苦患难的乐手兄弟们,做乐队如果有了这样的结局是种悲哀......</FONT></B></P>
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<P><B><FONT size=3>22.10.2005 - THE RECORDING OF "END OF AN ERA" -LIVE RELEASE WAS A HUGE SUCCESS</FONT></B><br><FONT size=3>Nightwish recorded "End Of An Era" -live release yesterday evening in Hartwall-Arena, Helsinki. As you can imagine, the atmosphere in the Arena was wild but also quite blue. This was the ending for a one and a half year lasting "Once" -World Tour. Nightwish wishes to thank everybody for an unbelievable tour.<br><br>Unfortunately the title "End Of An Era" also holds a deeper meaning. The open letter, which was given to Tarja after the show, tells it all. You can read it here:<br><br>Dear Tarja, </FONT><br>
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<P><FONT size=3>It`s time to choose whether the story of Nightwish ends here or whether it will still continue an undetermined period of time. We`ve been working with this creation for 9 years and we are not ready to give up yet. Nightwish is a way of life, something to live for, and we`re certain we can`t let it go.<br>
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<P><FONT size=3>Equally certain is the fact that we cannot go on with you and Marcelo any longer. During the last year something sad happened, which I`ve been going over in my head every single day, morning and night. Your attitude and behavior don`t go with Nightwish anymore. There are characteristics I would never have believed to see in my old dear friend.<br>People who don`t talk with each other for a year do not belong in the same band.<br>
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<P><FONT size=3>We are involved in an industry where the business-side of things is a necessary evil and something to worry about all the time. We are also a band which has always done music from the heart, because of friendship and the music itself. The mental satisfaction should always be more important than money! Nightwish is a band, it`s an emotion.<br>To you, unfortunately, business, money, and things that have nothing to do with those emotions have become much more important. You feel that you have sacrificed yourself and your musical career for Nightwish, rather than thinking what it has given to you.<br>This attitude was clearly shown to me in the two things you said to me in an airplane in Toront ”I don`t <I>need</I> Nightwish anymore.” and ”Remember, Tuomas, that I could leave this band at any time, giving you only one day`s warning in advance”.<br>I can`t simply write any more songs for you to sing.<br>
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<P><FONT size=3>You have said yourself that you are merely a ”guest musician” in Nightwish. Now that visit ends and we will continue Nightwish with a new female vocalist. <br>We`re sure this is an equally big relief to you as it is for us. We have all been feeling bad long enough.<br>
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<P><FONT size=3>You told us that no matter what, the next Nightwish album will be your last one. However, the rest of us want to continue as long as the fire burns. So there`s no sense in doing that next album with you, either.<br>The four of us have been going over this situation countless times and we have realized that this is the thing we want to do in life. It´s all we can do. In December 2004, in Germany, you said that you will never tour again for more than two weeks at a time. You also said that we can forget about U.S. and Australia because the fees and the sizes of venues are too small.<br>
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<P><FONT size=3>In interviews I`ve mentioned that if Tarja leaves, that would be the end of the band. I understand that people will think this way. Nightwish is, however, a scenery of my soul and I`m not ready to let go because of one person. A person who wants to focus her creativity to somewhere else, a person whose values don`t match mine.<br>
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<P><FONT size=3>We were never bothered by the fact that you didn`t participate in writing/arranging songs, you never in 9 years came to rehearse the songs with us before going to the studio. Not the fact that while on tour you always wanted to fly, separately from us with your husband. Not the fact that you are an undisputable front image of the band.<br>We accepted and felt ok about everything except greed, underestimating the fans, and breaking promises. It was agreed by the five of us that Nightwish would be the priority in everything that we do during 2004-2005. Still so many things were more important to you. The ultimate example being the already sold-out show in Oslo, which you wanted to cancel because you needed to rehearse for your solo concerts, meet frieds and go to the movies. Those were the words Marcelo used in an e-mail explaining the cancellation. This being just one example of so many. I couldn`t think of a worse way of being selfish and dismissing our fans.<br>
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<P><FONT size=3>Nightwish is a way of life and a job with many obligations. To each other and to the fans. With you we can`t take care of those duties anymore.<br>
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<P><FONT size=3>Deep within we don`t know which one of you drove us to this point. Somehow Marcelo has changed you from the lovely girl you were into a diva, who doesn`t think or act the way she used to. You are too sure of your irreplaceableness and status.<br>
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<P><FONT size=3>It`s obvious that you blame your stress and misery on us four. And you think we don`t respect or listen to you. Belive us; We have always had the uppermost respect towards you as a wonderful vocalist and as a friend. And very often during the past couple of years the plans were made according to your decisions only. You were always the only one who wanted more money from the shows. <br>This ”compensation and more money from everything” –attitude is the fact that we are most disappointed of!<br>
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<P><FONT size=3>We wish that from now on you will listen to your heart instead of Marcelo. Cultural differences combined with greed, opportunism and love is a dangerous combination. Do not wither yourself.<br>
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<P><FONT size=3>This decision is not something we are especially proud of but you gave us no choice. The gap between us is too wide. And the decision is made by us four unanimously. We are beyond the point where things could be settled by talking.<br>
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<P><FONT size=3>All the best for your life and career,<br>
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<P><FONT size=3>Tuomas<br>
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<P>Ps. This is an open letter for everybody.</P>
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greybat666 2005-10-25 12:34
<P>哦~........</P>
<P>好长啊~慢慢看~</P>
amstrong9112 2005-10-25 16:32
<P>英文的不懂,咋办?</P>[em04]
amstrong9112 2005-10-25 16:33
有中文的眯?[em02]
污秽的摇篮 2005-10-25 16:50
可以用金山快译高质量全文翻译慢慢看~~~
心照 2005-10-26 11:04
是不是真的哦
24K 2005-10-26 14:36
这年头的人啊。。。。
RockinSoul 2005-10-26 14:37
<P>遗憾~~~</P>
whigfield 2005-10-26 16:53
太自私了~~·
JHJ 2005-10-26 20:10
不要以为大家都懂英文!!!!!!!!!
人民万岁 2005-10-26 21:19
多没意思啊~!发了等于没 发~!
yong001 2005-10-27 19:11
就是[em03]
屠神 2005-10-27 22:38
<P>It`s obvious that you blame your stress and misery on us four. And you think we don`t respect or listen to you. Belive us; We have always had the uppermost respect towards you as a wonderful vocalist and as a friend. And very often during the past couple of years the plans were made according to your decisions only. You were always the only one who wanted more money from the shows. </P>
<P>This ”compensation and more money from everything” –attitude is the fact that we are most disappointed of!<BR>就翻一小段吧,我根本就不听这个傻逼乐队,只是想帮帮喜欢她们的哥们们!!</P>
<P>你总是指责我们把压力和痛苦都给你了一个人,而且还说我们不尊重你也不听你的,请相信我们,我们对作为NB的歌手身份的你来说或朋友的你来说,敬意是至高无上的。我们在过去的几年里的计划都是根据你的决定而制订的。而你是唯一一个只想着从演出中赚钱的人!!!</P>
<P>你这样的只想赚钱的想法和态度(说白了,就是从哪都想捞一笔),让我们失望透顶了!!!</P>
fly7 2005-10-28 09:22
<P>说实话我还是满喜欢夜愿的,几个歌特乐队里,她的声音我喜欢,可是总之英文的我看不懂,这事情也早知道</P>
<P>只是还想去关注他们的音乐,而不在乎他们自己内部的问题,也在乎不了</P>
hellohello 2005-10-28 09:30
"我根本就不听这个傻逼乐队"我喜欢这句
LOVEtak 2005-10-28 09:48
<P>可惜,真的太可惜了,一个乐队能混到这种地步不容易!!!</P>
<P>不知道他们下步干什么,少了主唱,怪不得今年出精选骗人!!~~~~~~</P>
水瓶小鱼 2005-10-28 11:53
?这样啊,为什么人总是会变呢?
污秽的摇篮 2005-10-28 17:22
<P>其实我也不大喜欢nightwish,总觉得他们的歌越听越不耐听,只是前几天偶尔看到他们的网站发布了这条消息,有些意外~有感而发~</P>
<P>女主唱走了也好,没有了Tarja,nightwish就是正儿八经的power metal,再不会有人说他们是哥特金属了~</P>
睡魔来袭 2006-1-19 15:54
Nightwish公开信<BR><BR>亲爱的Tarja:<BR><BR>是时间做出选择了,Nightwish的故事是在这里结束还是不确定的继续下去。我们已经在一起工作和 <BR><BR>创作9年了,然而我们不准备放弃。Nightwish是一种生活的方式,我们为其而生活,所以我们肯定不<BR><BR>能解散。<BR><BR>我们不能与你和Marcelo再合作下去已经成为事实。在去年发生了一些悲伤的事,每天从早到晚我都<BR><BR>在仔细地思考。你的态度和行为不再与Nightwish相配,我从来都不敢相信这些会发生在我的好朋友<BR><BR>身上。彼此一年不交谈的我们不再属于同一个乐队了。<BR><BR>因为友谊和音乐本身,我们是一个用心去做音乐的乐队。精神上的满足应该比金钱更重要。<BR><BR>Nightwish是一个乐队,是一种情感。不幸的是,对你来说,商业,金钱和与情感无关的事情已经变<BR><BR>得更加重要。你只感到为Nightwish你牺牲了自己和你的音乐生涯,而不是去想给予了你什么。有两<BR><BR>件事上你已经很清楚地对我表明了你的态度,在Toronto你在飞机上对我说,“我不再需要Nightwish<BR><BR>了”还有“记住,Tuomas,我可以在任何时候离开乐队,事先我只会给你一天的时间”。我简直不能<BR><BR>在为你写任何演唱歌曲了。<BR><BR>你自己说在Nightwish中你仅仅是个“客串音乐人”。既然访问演出结束了,我们会寻找一位新的女<BR><BR>性歌手将Nightwish继续下去。我们确信这样做无论对你还是对我们都是最大的宽慰。我们的糟糕日<BR><BR>子已经足够长了。<BR><BR>你告诉我们无论如何下一张Nightwish专辑是你在乐队的最后一张。然而,只要我们的激情还在燃<BR><BR>烧,我们剩下的人就要继续下去。所以,在下一张专辑中和你合作已经没有意义了。<BR><BR>我们四个人已经无数次地考虑过这次的境遇,我们认识到了我们一生中想要做的事。这就是我们所能<BR><BR>做的全部。2004年12月在德国,你说你以后每次巡回演出不会超过2周。你还说,我们忘了美国和澳<BR><BR>大利亚吧,因为那里的场地太小费用太少。<BR><BR>在采访中我提到如果Tarja离开了,乐队也就走到尽头了。我知道人们会这么想。<BR><BR>在接受采访时我曾经说过,如果Tarja离开了,那将是乐队的末日。我知道大家会这么认为。不管怎<BR><BR>样,Nightwish是我们灵魂的一道风景。我不会因为一个人而让乐队解散,因为一个想在别的地方闪<BR><BR>耀的人,一个与我们有着不同价值观的人。<BR><BR>我们从不埋怨你不和我们一起谱曲一起排练,9年来,你在进入录音棚前从不和我们一起排练歌曲。<BR><BR>从不埋怨你在旅行时总是和你丈夫一块而不理我们。从不埋怨每次都是你担当乐队的形象。除了贪<BR><BR>婪、瞧不起歌迷、不遵守诺言,我们什么都能接受。2004-2005期间,我们五个人达成共识,乐队的<BR><BR>利益高于一切。尽管有很多事情对你来说很重要。最后一个例子,那场在奥斯陆的演出,入场券都已<BR><BR>经卖出去,你却因为你要排练自己的独唱会、见你的朋友、去拍电影而取消。这些都是Marcelo在发<BR><BR>e-mail解释取消原因的时候说的。这仅仅是众多例子中的一个。我认为这不失为一种表现自私和驱散<BR><BR>我们的歌迷的好方法。<BR><BR>Nightwish是一种生活的方式和有很多义务的工作。对于彼此和歌迷,你的所作所为使我们不再履行<BR><BR>这些义务。<BR><BR>在内心深处我们不知道是你们中的谁把我们陷入这种境地。不知道为什么Marcelo已经把你从一个可<BR><BR>爱的女孩变成一个唯我独尊的女主角,不再像以前那样思考和做事。你对你的不可替代和地位太过于<BR><BR>自信了。<BR><BR>很明显你把你的压力和苦恼都归咎于我们4个。你认为我们不尊重你和不听你的话。相信我们,我们<BR><BR>给了你作为一个优秀歌手和朋友的至上的尊重。在过去的一些年里我们常常只按照你的决定做计划。<BR><BR>你总是从表演里想要更多的钱。<BR><BR>这句“补偿和来自一切的更多的钱”的态度是我们最失望的。<BR><BR>我们希望从现在开始你会听你的心而不是Marcelo。文化的差异和贪婪、机会主义还有爱的组合是危<BR><BR>险的组合。不要使自己凋谢。<BR><BR>这个决定不是我们值得骄傲的事,但你使我们别无选择。我们之间的隔阂太深了。这个决定是我们4<BR><BR>个全体一致地做出的。<BR><BR>祝愿你的生活和职业生涯一路顺风。<BR><BR><BR>Tuomas<BR><BR>Emppu Jukka Marco<BR><BR>----------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>Tarja公开信<BR><BR>自从上个星期天早上以来,歌迷俱乐部和来自芬兰及全世界的歌迷要求我在杂志、报<BR>刊、广播和电视台表达我的立场。对我来说不可能找出时间去一个个地回复这么多人,<BR><BR>因此我决定在这儿写下我想说的让我的歌迷,家人,朋友和公众知道在最近的这些事件<BR>后我的感受。<BR><BR>这是一个悲伤和痛苦的时刻,我发现很难说出口。<BR><BR>此刻我正在阿根廷。我希望你们能理解这次骇人听闻的事件就像离婚一样,我不想单独<BR>待在芬兰的家里。我的丈夫在几个月前已经订了飞往阿根廷的机票,最近我决定和他一<BR><BR>起旅行。<BR><BR>但是事实上我在阿根廷,遥远的距离当然不应该成为不去评论这个事件的借口。<BR><BR>10月21日,上周五,整个乐队等了很长时间。<BR><BR>早上开始练习的时候,我有些不舒服和紧张,我甚至不能在排演的时候演唱。<BR><BR>紧张是因为这个音乐会的过程比以前nightwish的更长。而且我还将和一个特别的客串<BR><BR>一起表演,要比平时更多次地变换剧装并且是在舞台上第一次用大屏幕和大规模表演。<BR><BR>时刻忘不了这场音乐会会被录制并拍成电影。<BR><BR>我们5个人最终把这次演出放在了Hartwall舞台。<BR><BR>即使我们每个人都事先知道了这场演出的票已经卖完了,最后在舞台上,我们看到了尖<BR>叫、鼓掌和从座位上站起来的人们。当时的感觉是难以置信的。<BR><BR>我不会忘记受到芬兰观众华丽接待的经历是多么让人惊异。<BR><BR>当音乐会结束的时候,我在舞台上幸福地哭了。幸福的眼泪是因为即使我病了我也能做到最好,幸福的眼泪是因为我们长长的演出获得了成功的结束,幸福的眼泪是因为有一个艺术家能获得的最好的认可--掌声和微笑。<BR><BR>在那时我还不知道我不久将会又一次哭泣。<BR><BR>那次演出完,乐队的队友在后台邀请我一起拥抱。这次感觉奇怪因为在以前传统上我们在每次音乐会时都聚在一起同样地拥抱。这个传统保留着,即使很长一段时间来存在着紧张和越来越多的压力。<BR><BR>我直接的感觉就是大声地感谢他们,但没有一个人回应。<BR><BR>在这以后,他们给了我一封信并要求我第二天再读。同样的信现在公开了。<BR><BR>我读了信并感到震惊。<BR><BR>我不知道该说什么,此时我正在写这些<BR><BR>在那封信中我感到了巨大的愤怒,同时也很困惑。但是,我不想用更大的愤怒来反击。私人事情不应该被公开。<BR><BR>我知道此刻对于每个人,包括他们,我都很悲伤。<BR><BR>虽然有很多不同的可能性和方式去表达他们在信中想要告诉我的,但我仍然不理解他们选择了这种处理方式。我抱歉他们误解我了。我不认可自己是他们描述中的那样。<BR><BR>在信中,他们穿插着提到了有关我低劣的事情,还有我的丈夫Marcelo。他是我爱的人,我的朋友,在过去的一年中我的最大的支持者。<BR><BR>我们在一个乐队已经9年了,经历了美好的时光,没有比这更好的了。我想我了解他们,可是我错了。<BR><BR>发生的一切不会让我把他们看成是坏人。<BR><BR>现在花些时间冷静一下,下面的所有反映了我刚说的<BR><BR>我需要整理一下我的情绪,我许诺不久我会到公开场合。我将开一个谈论我将来的新闻发布会。这并不意味着你们会想我在发布会上将攻击任何人。那不会的。<BR><BR>我们在一起创造的美妙音乐不会被最近的这些事影响。<BR><BR>感谢在这悲伤时期所有支持我的人。我的家人、朋友、同事和广大歌迷。我爱你们,我真正地感觉到我没有辜负你们。<BR><BR>Tarja
陶然鬼才 2006-1-19 16:05
从此失去了一个感动的声音
soulless 2006-1-20 23:28
无语
太平间暴动 2006-1-20 23:52
<P>这也算哥特??</P>
<P>那永恒沉睡是什么??</P>
<P>搞什么飞机!!!!</P>
我找我的猫 2006-1-23 01:50
<P>不是吧?</P>
木杨梳 2006-1-23 17:29
我一直都不是很喜欢NIGHT WISH,尤其不喜欢女主唱的那种妇女形象。。
太平间暴动 2006-1-23 20:28
<P>妇女形象是什么??</P>
<P>妳看她是不是像家庭主妇?</P>
迪斯 2006-1-28 21:39
不喜欢这个乐队,傻呼呼的POWER还偏要装的像GOTHIC...
hardrockgz 2006-1-29 14:22
女主唱开的好,不过对乐队本身来说还是可惜了。
死神落泪 2006-2-1 16:43
<DIV class=quote><B>以下是引用<I>hellohello</I>在2005-10-28 9:30:57的发言:</B><BR>"我根本就不听这个傻逼乐队"我喜欢这句</DIV>
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<P>煞笔乐队??</P>
<P>你听过他们的东西吗!!</P>
<P>他们是歌特金属!!</P>
Mildseven97 2006-2-1 17:36
那女的声音还是要赞下的,其实挺独特的,我们也只管听了,希望她能够反思自己加以调整出好作品
liangkai418 2006-2-17 22:37
<P>可惜 ~~~</P>
<P>我是蛮喜欢他们的 </P>
<P>哎!!</P>[em03]
蛊尸癔首 2006-2-17 22:55
<DIV class=quote><B>以下是引用<I>liangkai418</I>在2006-2-17 22:37:59的发言:</B><BR>
<P>可惜 ~~~</P>
<P>我是蛮喜欢他们的 </P>
<P>哎!!</P>[em03]</DIV>
<br>兄弟来了哈,是啊,再不会听到她们的新作品了!!!
ma 2006-3-3 20:46
可惜,可惜,乐迷惨了
lincao9003 2006-3-31 11:43
"我根本就不听这个傻逼乐队" 说这句话的就是个傻逼 你们不喜欢就不要说人家傻逼 你牛逼你怎么不出名 操 垃圾#80
不爱摇就滚 2006-4-2 17:24
<P>不喜欢这个乐队的可以不听。</P>
<P>口头攻击算什么事?</P>
<P>可以看出这位仁兄的素质怎么样。</P>
jatsnake 2006-4-7 11:21
[em01]
妄想代理人 2006-4-7 17:46
<DIV class=quote><B>以下是引用<I>屠神</I>在2005-10-27 22:38:14的发言:</B><BR>
<P>It`s obvious that you blame your stress and misery on us four. And you think we don`t respect or listen to you. Belive us; We have always had the uppermost respect towards you as a wonderful vocalist and as a friend. And very often during the past couple of years the plans were made according to your decisions only. You were always the only one who wanted more money from the shows. </P>
<P>This ”compensation and more money from everything” –attitude is the fact that we are most disappointed of!<BR>就翻一小段吧,我根本就不听这个傻逼乐队,只是想帮帮喜欢她们的哥们们!!</P>
<P>你总是指责我们把压力和痛苦都给你了一个人,而且还说我们不尊重你也不听你的,请相信我们,我们对作为NB的歌手身份的你来说或朋友的你来说,敬意是至高无上的。我们在过去的几年里的计划都是根据你的决定而制订的。而你是唯一一个只想着从演出中赚钱的人!!!</P>
<P>你这样的只想赚钱的想法和态度(说白了,就是从哪都想捞一笔),让我们失望透顶了!!!</P></DIV>
<P>你丫个傻逼,用不着你帮。</P>
妄想代理人 2006-4-7 17:48
说是因为主唱长得难看讨厌他们的人,你们丫喜欢偶像派为什么不听周渝民去。
妄想代理人 2006-4-7 17:50
Marcelo是她的丈夫么?还有,他们不是说要找新人么怎么会再也听不到了。
朋友 2006-4-8 12:22
unbelieveable
lincao9003 2006-4-13 14:29
顶38楼的哥们 让那些煞笔去听F4去[em12]
明态鱼 2006-6-26 00:31
<P>顶38楼的哥们 喜欢Nightwish的 就别逼吃</P>
<P>喜欢谁就顶谁去 </P>
<P>F4向你们招手呢!</P>
ohmylord 2007-12-4 16:28
谁也不一定对谁也不一定错
也不一定不是狗咬狗[em46]
ohmylord 2007-12-4 16:32
不管谁说T姐不好
俺都喜欢她
tomas公开这样说她未必就所有人都觉得tomas清白
不定怎么着呢~
爱谁谁,听还是一样听[em46]
xiao_he24 2007-12-5 00:58
超喜欢他们,现在只是小小的遗憾咯. 支持38楼
nikepan 2007-12-8 00:07
01. The Poet And The Pendulum [13:55]
02. Bye Bye Beautiful [4:15]
03. Amaranth [3:51]
04. Cadence Of Her Last Breath [4:15]
05. Master Passion Greed [6:03]
06. Eva [4:26]
07. Sahara [5:47]
08. Whoever Brings The Night [4:18]
09. For The Heart I Once Had [3:56]
10. The Islander [5:06]
11. Last Of The Wilds [5:41]
12. 7 Days To The Wolves [7:04]
13. Meadows Of Heaven [7:10]
CD2
Instrumental Version of The Full "Dark Passion Play" Album
ipod0000 2008-1-22 13:54
主唱换了,乐队也降低了一个档次,可惜了tarja独特的声音
youyou422 2008-5-19 11:40
遗憾
很遗憾
哎
[em34]
千里寒色 2008-5-25 11:17
[em34] 无言……才认识了这个乐队两天(我指的是我自己),就听到原来她们解散了……
黑夜里的白天 2008-6-16 14:47
。。。。。。。。。。。。。看不懂啊 诶
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